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haki vs. brute strength

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Hi guys this topic is a big topic and it revovles around ace and luffy first of all how can ace be the second strongest ( not including WB) in WB's crew when he can't control haki he is higher rank than two haki user's in WB's crew(Jozu and Vista). This also reminds me how luffy could beat haki users like (sadersonia,marigold,and enel).Can they beat these people with haki because there brute strength surpasse's their haki? tell me what you think

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