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What are the ways to counter a logia user?

  • submerge in still / sea water
  • Kairoseki
  • elemental weakness (moisture for Croc, rubber for Enel)
  • elemental superiority (magna to fire)
  • bushoshoku haki

Now, Kinemon's recently revealed technique was said to be able to cut fire (an intangible matter). Does it mean that technique can counter (at least) fire logia?

Also, Jinbe's technique which was able to hurt Luffy by using "all the water within his vicinity including the water in a person's body", can that ability also be used against a logia? Was it ever revealed whether if this was what he used to fight Ace back then? Lets discuss