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No reason to start pushing for a poll yet. Let's wait for more responses, particularly to the points we've raised in this back and forth. {{User:Awaikage/Sig1}} 19:33, February 22, 2015 (UTC)
 
No reason to start pushing for a poll yet. Let's wait for more responses, particularly to the points we've raised in this back and forth. {{User:Awaikage/Sig1}} 19:33, February 22, 2015 (UTC)
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I support keeping a One Piece spin-off, since it is official. But if the content becomes too great, like there's way too many chapters to handle, we can make a little spin-off Wiki for it with this page linking to it. {{User:Uknownada/Sig/Sig1}} 19:53, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

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Following Precedent

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Back with the Chopperman spin-off (did that ever get more than one chapter?), it was decided that a spin-off that wasn't drawn by Oda was not worthy of putting on our wiki. Have we changed our minds? I haven't picked a side yet, but I'm all for opening discussion. In any case, we should give both spin-offs the same treatment. Ryu-Chan•|•Talk 16:31, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

The Loguetown Novel has its own page, surely this should have its own page also.82.42.188.15 16:44, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

Well, IMO since they are spin-off of One Piece, they can stay although it doesn't mean they have to. As long they get just one page each, I'm fine with them. They will be something like Shonen Jump. leviathan_89 16:47, 21 February, 2015 (UTC)

Well today, Luffy, as he appears in One Piece Party, was added to his gallery. I suppose that's another conversation entirely. Maybe this should be moved a forum, "Treatment of Spin-Offs" or something to that effect. Ryu-Chan•|•Talk 17:32, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

This wiki should cover all things One Piece, and this is an official spin-off. It should get full coverage. "Not drawn by Oda" is a bad argument, since the anime, movies, games etc. aren't made by him either. Awaikage Talk 18:06, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

I can agree with that, but as long we don't start creating chapter pages of that series and also I don't like adding images from that series to canon articles. We should really keep all of that on this page alone. leviathan_89 18:40, 21 February, 2015 (UTC)

I disagree, I think chapters pages would be fine. Now that it's being scanlated, people are going to read it and they're going to come to this wiki for info. And we add movie images to canon articles' galleries too, so I don't see anything wrong with that. Awaikage Talk 18:47, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

But that's another series, it's not One Piece. No poin in making pages other then this. Make a wiki about One Piece Party then. leviathan_89 22:18, 21 February, 2015 (UTC)

I'd be OK with chapter pages, but perhaps the best way to make them would be as subpages? Like "One Piece Party/Chapter 1" instead of "One Piece Party Chapter 1" which the latter kinda looks weird to me Kaido | Remnants of My Broken Sig 22:19, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

We don't know how long the spin-off will last, so I'm against having chapters as subpages. Jademing (talk) 22:23, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

It's a spin-off, Levi. Not an unrelated series. It uses One Piece characters, One Piece setting, One Piece jokes etc. Why make another wiki for it when everything is the same? It's not canon to One Piece, but neither are movies or games.

Regarding the subpage idea, I agree with Jade. The chapters would be best as their own separate pages. The naming is still up in the air, Kaido. We could call them "Chapter 1 (One Piece Party)" or "Party Chapter 1". Awaikage Talk 22:29, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

We should cover all things One Piece, so pages for this should exist. In terms of chapter pages, I would say no. Let's just merge only short summaries into this page for each of them for now. Depending on how long it goes for, we could subpage/makre separate pages for it later. For now, one page is best.

If we have images of video games appearances (or in the case of the Pirate Warriors series, too many, we should have one per character for these. I do not however think we should have more than one image per character for this series. No need to track costumes for a spinoff. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 22:31, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

Subpages are normal pages so you may as well make them on their own. Returning on the original question: then why we didn't do the same for Chopperman? I think for our wiki we need simply to have a page about the series, not all related sub articles. Make another wiki about the spinoff and the we can link it. Here's an example: Rock Lee's Springtime of Youth Full Power Ninja Chronicles on Naruto wiki and the dedicated wiki. leviathan_89 22:52, 21 February, 2015 (UTC)

I don't see why we should divide One Piece content into separate wikis. Regarding Chopperman, I don't know anything about the discussion for that or the thought process behind the decision to exclude it. But it might be difficult to do much for it since it's not scanlated. Awaikage Talk 23:10, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

Also, I'd like to mention that this is a bi-monthly manga, so there'd only be six pages per year if we have separate chapter pages. What harm would they do? Awaikage Talk 01:11, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

Do what Levi said. We shouldn't create articles for each chapter since it isn't really One Piece. SeaTerror (talk) 06:33, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

My point is that usually you prefer to make a wiki on its own to keep all more organized. Yes, we can cover all that here, but what does that means? To truly cover the new series, you should create pages about chapters, volumes, author(s), characters (including making a version of the already existing characters), upload images and such. Look at that wiki of the Naruto spin-off: it has quite a lot of content. Imagine all of that on the Naruto wiki, wouldn't it create a bit of confusion? Especially if there is already a "canon" version of the pages so you would have to differentiate between series? You can do that, but I think it would just be confusing. leviathan_89 09:17, 22 February, 2015 (UTC)

I'm only talking about chapter articles here, Levi. As far as I'm concerned, everything else can stay on this page (it would be pretty empty otherwise, anyway). I don't see why existing character articles would even need a separate version - They're pretty much exactly the same in the spin-off. Awaikage Talk 12:19, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

Then I don't see the point for just making the chapters to be honest. We can write the overall plot on this page and the main differences on this page already. Characters would have their brand new histories for the spin off and there will be original characters as well, most likely. So why chapters deserve their pages but everything else don't? leviathan_89 13:12, 22 February, 2015 (UTC)

Brand new histories? We don't chronicle movie events on character histories either, so why we would do it for this spin-off? There hasn't been any original characters yet, and there might not ever be since they already have such a big pool to draw from. We can deal with that when/if it happens. Chapters "deserve" their own articles so we can write long summaries and have character boxes etc. Everything else fits on this page. And again, it would be six pages per year, no harm done. Awaikage Talk 13:34, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

Ok then what if there will be new characters, fruits, places or techniques? leviathan_89 14:45, 22 February, 2015 (UTC)

As I said, we can deal with that when/if it happens. Right now the spin-off seems to just utilize existing characters etc. Awaikage Talk 15:01, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

We we said what we thought, but I think we should poll this anyway before starting creating stuff. I'm sure we are not the only ones with different opinions. leviathan_89 19:20, 22 February, 2015 (UTC)

No reason to start pushing for a poll yet. Let's wait for more responses, particularly to the points we've raised in this back and forth. Awaikage Talk 19:33, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

I support keeping a One Piece spin-off, since it is official. But if the content becomes too great, like there's way too many chapters to handle, we can make a little spin-off Wiki for it with this page linking to it. uknownada Talk 19:53, February 22, 2015 (UTC)