Technically, this is supposed to be on his page but since it doesn't exist yet might as well ask it here. Anyway just to make sure and clarify things, what's his correct name and rank.Mugiwara Franky 08:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
It looks like (based on the covers of chapters 436 and 440) his name is Spacy (or Spacey, or Spacie, or something like that. XD) (スペーシー, Supeeshii, too lazy to use the lengthened vowels at the moment. XD), and his rank is... you want army rank, I assume? The army rank is First Lieutenant (中尉, chuui).
And the pirate one (that first showed up on chapter 438's cover, I believe?) still seems to have no name, and is simply referred to as "Space Pirate". --Murasaki 09:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Umm, not necessarily a move request but can the sources for "Enel" and "Eneru" be named here like the talk page for Arabasta. I kinda want to know which apparently more authentic. Please note it's not a number I'm asking for but closeness to authenticity. So in other words, if there's just one source for "Enel" that may have been written supposedly by Oda against several sources for "Eneru" that may have been written by other people, then "Enel" wins. I just kinda want to know also so we won't have any arguments in the future.Mugiwara Franky 14:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I have mixed feelings about which is preferrable... I note the Japanese anime sounds "Eneru" not "Enel". One-Winged Hawk 20:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I personally prefer Enel but consider Eneru to be the proper translation. At the very least, it's the proper way to say it in Japanese.
The One Piece Unlimited one also has "Bon Clay", which was later proven wrong by Oda, so I don't think it's trustworthy.
Honestly, after watching the anime, not once did I ever hear a "ru"; it was always a hard l. I wonder why people still call him "Eneru" instead of Enel when there's about just as many sources for each. The Pope 12:07, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
2-A big part of all the angel´s names has the termination -el(for example, Gabiel, Azazel, Uriel...).
3-In Italy, there is the Vatican City, a christian place.
4-Enel is an italian electric company.
5-Enel -> Ente Nazionale per l'Energia eLettrica(full name of the italian electric company) or maybe Oda thought like this(why? because it´s weird putting an electric company in a character) Enel ->ENrgia ELettrica (electric energy in italian).
So this might be related and it´s just a theory.
So Enel is like a fusion between an angel(but his personality it isnt like an angel XD) and Raijin, the japanese god of thunder.
--Kaze Kaze No Mi 21:51, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
The following is a documented discussion over the subject of moving the page. The general consensus to moving page to Enel. Please do not edit or add any further comments to this particular section as it is documented.
The japanese people cant spell the L´s, so when they say Enel, they say Eneru because they trade the L´s with the R´s.
And then , the funimation´s dub facilitated the name Eneru.
So it´s not Eneru but Enel.--Kaze Kaze No Mi 15:41, October 24, 2009 (UTC) I forgot XD
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But yeah, I do agree. However, I think we'd have to come into some form of agreement before changing all mentioning of "Eneru" to "Enel". The Pope 12:41, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
We've got evidence for both I recall since both spellings have appeared in the Japanese versions, but not in the manga. One-Winged Hawk 12:44, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
That we do. And like I said above, watching the anime, I don't even hear the slightest "r" slur in there; it's a very hard "l". The Pope 12:46, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
I just want to correct you, its not they can't spell "l" is "l" and "r" are one and the same in their language. Its how they pronounce things in their accent in English. (Theres an old joke: "Egg fried rice?" or "Egg Flied Lice?") One-Winged Hawk 10:25, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
I'd like the Wiki to come to some form of decision on this, so we can decide whether or not to rename the page to Enel. The Pope 04:06, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
If in doubt we can only list the sources and decide on the most appropriate. Incidently, Eneru I believe appear on SJ mags front cover and Enel appeared in a poll run by SJ mag. Or was it the other way round? Either way, thats the most legit source after Oda, but these two problems are the ones I'm aware of. I don't know how you would go about solving this issue. One-Winged Hawk 09:27, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
Aren´t the Chinese people who trade R´s with L´s ? with the japanese is the opposite.
--Kaze Kaze No Mi 15:52, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
The R and L thing applies to the Japanese as well due to contact with the Chinese in the ancient past. This is also kinda why there is "Zolo".Mugiwara Franky 15:57, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
Theres others too... "B" and "V" sometimes get muddled up, "P" is sometimes included in that one too. "Th" and "Sh", not to mention "Du" and "Ju". Loads of them the deeper you look into them. "L" and "R" are the most common. And theres also things like silent "u" to screw up the non-understanders even more. One-Winged Hawk 18:14, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
I think we should stick with Enel, since it's actually pronounced that way in the Japanese anime. The Pope 00:19, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
So, has it been decided which one we'll use in the wikia? It is confusing to refer to him as Enel and Eneru in the same article (for the readers) and on the other ones as well. It is time we reach a decision if not one has been made yet. MasterDeva 20:47, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
For the record I want to say that I'm in favor of Enel as the best choice since Japanese pronounce L as Eru when it's in the end of a name. Technically Eneru is correct as the romanization of his name but in English it's Enel and that's how it should be written here too. MasterDeva 20:59, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
Since there are no objections, may I take it as the okay to continue with the changes!? MasterDeva 08:36, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
About Enel being used all over the article, that was somewhat of an illegal change made while this discussion was still going on. In the English versions, its Eneru. For the L being pronounced as Eru, sometimes its romanized as Eru I believe.Mugiwara Franky 09:11, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Since we have to abide by the translations made for the English version of the manga we should change all references to his name as Eneru. One thing is that name of the Italian electric company is Enel not Eneru, just because we are obliged to use Eneru let's not change the name of the company too! MasterDeva 09:38, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Since when did it matter what the English manga said? They also romanized Poneglyph as "Ponegliff". The Pope 15:31, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Enel and Eneru appeared in Jump Magazine as clear as day, as I said already. One on the front page and the other on the character poll. All I can say is relisten to the anime folks and decide. Either that or we look at what the Japanese fans are writing, if possible. One-Winged Hawk 09:41, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
I didn't know we had that flexibility! Enel is back on the table I guess. How are we going to decide this, we'll vote? MasterDeva 09:52, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Well 1)I can't remember which way round it was... 2) whats more significant as evidence, the front page or the character poll? Character polls often have alternative spellings as it were that much I will note. Their organised by S.Jump magazine. On the other hand... So is the front page. One-Winged Hawk 18:06, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
You're obviously on the wrong wikia if you think we have to "abide" by what Viz uses. Also that's completely false about Japanese people saying L as R. Watch more anime and actually listen. In Elfen Lied and Fairy Tail they say Lucy not Rucy. Also I'll vote for Enel because they are obviously saying it in the anime and K-F also used it. Drunk Samurai 18:05, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
I've explained before the "l" and "r" sound. Yes they can tell the difference but; Luffy even gets called "Ruffy" at times. The same prounciation for "l" exists for "r". Listen to the anime closely, in your head you write "luffy" so you often miss when "Ruffy" comes up. But anyway, I'm not going to argue all day about this... Lets end the discussion on ls and rs here. We've got a name to discuss right here and now. Anyone can read the previous comments and talk about ls and rs until the cows come home; "Enel" and "Eneru" won't be resolved THIS way. We need a CLEAR resolution, like "Odz/Oz" becoming "Oars". And since Oda's not supplied it, we have to find other sources. MErchandise, games, S.J. Mag, these WILL resolve the issue, not the l and r argument. So lets throw THAT particular argument away for once and just look at what we can find in other sources. ^_- One-Winged Hawk 18:18, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Nope. I have never missed it. Since they never do it. Also neither merchandise or Shounen Jump is reliable. They called Jyabura Jabra. Drunk Samurai 18:25, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Don't remind me of that little spelling that causes hassle every so often. Well then we're back at square one; we have no proof which is correct. To be honest though, I won't make judgments here since I'm not sure on the pronunciation here of the name myself. Skypiea and the Davy Fights are the two arcs I can't bring myself to rewatch after watching once. To edit in conjunction with those arcs I've always gone back to the manga source rather then watch the anime. Say does Stephen have his script up still, what did he use? :-/ One-Winged Hawk 18:45, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
I only said that we have to "abide" to the English version with the logic behind that if we don't have any source of reference from the official Japanese version (manga, databooks, etc) the next logic thing to do is use the next "official version" that is available. Do not misinterpret my words Drunk Samurai, that's what has happened in this wiki other cases until an alternative was found! One-Winged Hawk is right by the way, they have used Ruffy in the anime, the fact that you haven't noticed it still doesn't mean it's not there!! MasterDeva 19:40, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Not once has the official English version ever been used to name anything on this wikia. It goes against the guidelines. Also no they never say Ruffy. Only people who are trying to hear the r sound hear it. Drunk Samurai 20:06, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
That's not what I was trying to say! Never mind it's not exactly related to this issue we are facing here so I will let it slide. I am searching for a link to the anime to prove what One-Winged Hawk said, it might take a while but all I have to do is search in order to find it! To answer her question Stephen used Ener in his translations, I don't know if that is of any help or not. MasterDeva 20:19, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
For Ener to work it would be dependent on a Silent "u". As I said, I kinda haven't watched the arc more then one... Nor do I plan to. So lets put this much on the table; Are they or are they not pronouncing the "u". Lets start with this little basic thing. One-Winged Hawk 20:36, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
For the most part they have used Eneru, especially during the last episodes of the Skypiea Arc of the anime. So, we have to choose between Enel or Eneru. MasterDeva 21:07, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
They pronounce it as "Enel" in the anime. The Pope 22:21, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
They have undeniably used Enel but Eneru has been used a lot more especially during the end of the arc. Still, my vote goes to Enel. MasterDeva 23:19, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Maybe its time we ran a vote... This isn't getting anywhere... One-Winged Hawk 23:39, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Closing Date: I forgot a closing date.... Okay lets make it next Friday (27th Nov). So next friday, the votes are counted... Which is three so far. Then we'll decide then. One-Winged Hawk 15:13, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
Reasons for Enel:
Reasons for Eneru:
Abstain: I haven't the faintest idea... I've never seen Oda's version, I've seen both used in S.J.Mag. I'm just happy to have an issue resolved. One-Winged Hawk 23:39, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Enel: There's about just as much evidence for Eneru as there is Enel, and in the anime it's pronounced with a very firm "l"; absolutely no slur. The Pope 01:57, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
Enel: I agree with the above, Enel seems to be the best choice of the two and the one that fits best. Until we get a source from Oda that states exactly how it should be let's stick with this one and keep our antennas up for any news regarding this matter. MasterDeva 18:56, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
Enel: I agree with all the statents above. El Chupacabra 15:15, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
Enel: same as above--Swg66 17:12, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
Enel: I agree with the above statements. Kaizoku-Hime 19:05, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
Enel: Agreed with The Pope. There is very little emphasis on the whole 'ru' syllable when his name is pronounced in the anime. Sephirona 19:27, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
Enel: for above reasons--Croc117 22:03, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
Eneru: No rival huh, reason is because this name is being used in our country. Coldhandzz 00:10, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
Again, Viz and FUNimation's translations shouldn't always be taken as word of God. Otherwise, "Seven Warlords of the Sea" would be all over this Wiki. The Pope 02:48, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
Not to mention this particular view is somewhat broken due to translation errors in the past... Eneru was also used by 4Kids and we all know the problems with that dub. Not to mention Viz is the company who I have had experience with bad translations in the past over, so should never be taken for granted. A volume of Beyblade I brought shows on the back 2-4 spelling mistakes that only appear on THAT volum and should never have occured (the inside book does not contain the spelling errors so who got it wrong on the cover?). FUNimation also isn't perfect but their better then most. One-Winged Hawk 10:40, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
Ener: It's a fair middle ground, and plays better on the "energy" pun in English. I've grown fond of Enel, but "Ener" would probably be more correct. If "Ener" isn't an option, then my vote goes for Enel. The "u" at the end of Eneru looks to be a Japanese grammatical issue. Cody2526
Enel: Since it is in Katakana, I suppose the u is not pronounced, so it is best if it is not written. Kdom 20:52, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
Ener or Eneru: The original English word is "Energy", not "Enelgy".
i saw on the page the translation of "ware no kaminara"=god or lightning, it just seems a bit weird the japanese god is a synonim of lightning. Anyone knows the meaning of Kaminara? The Humaniod TyphoonTalkco6:12 12/Sep/2011 (UTC)
thx for the clarification, and i'm sorry for considering "of" as "or", it's just a habitude, in my language "of" means "or".
P.S. isn't "rai" lightning? nara is probably a synonim then The Humaniod TyphoonTalkco14:45 12/Sep/2011 (UTC)
Did Oda actually say he was based on Eminem or did he just say something along the lines of "Sure let's go with that." when someone asked whether Enel was based on him? 126.96.36.199 04:42, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
When was it ever stated that he was based on Eminem? Was that in the trivia? I don't recall ever reading that....••PX15..•• 05:11, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
"Enel appeared in a Shonen Jump special, where he attacked Tokyo and Odaiba. Goku arrives to fight Enel and Luffy appears to help him. Luffy and Goku make an attack called "Gomu Gomu No Kame Hame Ha" and they defeat Enel."
About this crossover: anyone know how is it named ? I found four videos of it, and as I could see it was run into some sort of theatre with different screens: a big one used for close ups while each of the smaller ones showed a different part of the animation. As a example, here's the mentioned "Gomu Gomu no Kamehameha" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epIT3Jb0bSg
I will also put here these two videos that managed to record each screen separated and then joined all together into just one screen, making it possible to watch the crossover without losing anything (however, its in japanese)
The guy with the blue shirt at the begining is Kochikame, character from another manga/anime that I really don't know.
Also, there's another crossover called "Dream 9: Toriko & One Piece & Dragon Ball Z Super Collaboration Special", much easier to find. However I couldn't find a page for it here, so I was wondering if crossovers are not allowed here. But then you have one for Cross Epoch...
Thank you for your attention. 188.8.131.52 05:06, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
The page for the Toriko crossover, right ? weird how it is only named "Episode 590", but I'm sure it's because of some edit policies I don't know.
But the page says it is the first anime crossover betwen One Piece and Dragon Ball, isn't that wrong. ?? I mean, there's the crossover where Enel is a villain, which i'm sure came before this one. As I said, the one with Enel (that I even put the videos above) and the one with Toriko are two different crossovers. 184.108.40.206 05:36, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
I was talking about these crossovers (copy and past the links, including the "!" at the end)
While most views still hasen't realized or not, In the english version of One Piece: "Eneru" is his english name in viz Funimation and 4kids alike. Sonic2479 (talk) 07:47, September 14, 2013 (UTC)Sonic2479Sonic2479 (talk) 07:47, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
Believe me his english name is eneru, the funimation dub, viz and awful 4kids use that spelling of his name. even namco in the release of pirate warriors 2 for the PS3 used eneru. its been like that for quite awhile now. AsuraDrago 16:13, September 30, 2013 (UTC)
Dubs pronounce the primary antagonists name "Loofy", should we change the spelling of his name to that? 12th SupernovaAvast, ye bugger 23:02, October 2, 2013 (UTC)
That argument doesn't make any sense at all. Its pronounced the same way no matter how its spelled. It isn't like its a double vowel name. SeaTerror (talk) 23:04, October 2, 2013 (UTC)
I don't understand what you're trying to get here. The article already acknowledges that the English versions use "Eneru". And long ago, the wiki decided that "Enel" was the proper spelling.
Though if you're trying to convince us that "Eneru" is indeed the correct spelling, you'll have to provide hard evidence from raw Japanese material that shows the spelling in English. I've looked at the the old discussion and there were claims that both romanizations were used, but no links were provided for "Eneru", only for "Enel". Perhaps it's time to track those down and get a clear answer. JustSomeDude...Talk | 23:20, October 2, 2013 (UTC)
Well in my case I was referring to his English spelling. But in my opinion I believe “Eneru” is the correct spelling. This is based on the Romanization. In the Japanese dub everyone pronounces enel “eneru”. Official translators for Funimation and Viz use this name. Of course pronunciation does not always lead to correct spelling.
Take Luffy for example, Romanized his named is pronounced “Roofy”, while when spelled in English by Oda and official translators we say “Loofy” for the spelling of Luffy.In Germany they call luffy “Ruffy” because of the pronunciation. Another example can be Jinbei, his name is spelled Jinbei officially in the Japanese version but in the english releases it is spelled Jimbei because it is pronounced in the Japanese version with an M sound where the N in his name is.
In eneru’s case we haven’t seen Oda spell his name officially in the manga (or if any of you have tell me about it). In most Japanese trading cards or merchandise we see his name spelled enel in english. The Japanese language is odd when pronouncing L & R sounds in words or names, as they do not have actual consonants. AsuraDrago 02:01, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
I know we can't put this in trivia without it being confirmed, but Ente Nazionale per l'energia ELettrica is an Italian electricity company, and one of the biggest power providers in Europe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enel Just something to think about. 12th SupernovaAvast, ye bugger 16:11, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
It's already been on there for a couple years now.DancePowdererTalk 17:05, February 20, 2014 (UTC)