Talk:Devil Fruit
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[edit] Wikipedia's table
I'll get the information, pictures and tables here... Not next weekend, but the weekend after. One-Winged Hawk 10:58, 17 October 2006 (PDT)
[edit] More than a list
I don't have the time right now, or I'd do it, but someone needs to make this more than a list. We should have a description of what each type of fruit is, then a list of Devil Fruits known to be in that category, and their users. Currently we just have a basic list with links to a page for info about the specific fruit. Perhaps these should lead to their users, since there isn't more specific information about a fruit other than what it does. Cody2526 01:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- We're gonna use the table that One-Winged Hawk made for Wikipedia, she said right above you that she's gonna do that. ^^;; That has descriptions of each type of fruit, pics of each power being used, description of the powers themselves, what the names mean, all that stuff. --Murasaki 01:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- I was going to do that, but right now I'm lost... Whats going on with this page. :o One-Winged Hawk 08:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] From Mi to Fruit
Having to read that every fruit's name has Mi in the end and I find it morbid. Should I move all the names from Mi to Fruit? Having "Gomu Gomu Fruit" is better then "Gomu Gomu no Mi" in my opinion. Any objection?
- If you change it from no Mi to Fruit, you might as well call the Gomu Gomu no Mi the 'Rubber Rubber' Fruit... Or 'Gum Gum Fruit'. The reason being is it doesn't look right translating just half the name. I think the Japanese name should remain, besides it gets complicated if translate them. One-Winged Hawk 08:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- The half translations maybe a bit confusing but at least they kinda sound right in an English environment. It's just one Japanese word repeated twice that needs to be explained, besides some of them are somewhat legit. Kilo Kilo Fruit and this Mini Mini Fruit(?) I read in the Arlong Park Encyclopedia and they're actually more of full translations than a half ones. Also the Hana Hana Fruit is actually used in English *cough*4kids*cough*.
- They may not be politically correct and such but at least the reader could tell what is being talked about. I mean would a general reader who doesn't know Japanese or isn't a One Piece fan know what is being talked about. Can they easily tell if the Hito Hito no Mi is a fruit or something completely farfetched like a magic potion just by looking at the name? This is a thing we have to take into consideration.Mugiwara Franky 13:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- In the case of DFs, they just sound so much better in Japanese. Even half translated, a lot of them sound damn awful. My view is, if you explain it well enough on the page what it is they should know its the Gum gum fruit or Hana Hana Fruit. Equally, though it should be easy to to likewise tell Gum Gum Fruit means Gomu Gomu no Mi. We're aiming to provide information right? If we only do half the job (my view on most half translated stuff) we don't fully achieve that. Besides... Thats why we have the search thingy and redirects. So yeah... Not translated or full translated, in between just doesn't sound right. One-Winged Hawk 14:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- But wouldn't it be better to quickly learn that there is a thing called the Hana Hana Fruit which is a fruit whose name is Hana Hana in one go than to read a lot of text explaining what Hana Hana no Mi. Some of the half translations maybe awful but they kinda get the point right away. Plus when you look at it flows really well with the rest of a sentence. However if this really can't be, would it be alright to make all the links to these pages except those in the Devil Fruit page be like this:
- [[Japanese|Half Japanese]] Mugiwara Franky 14:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- If there is just one word being translated - you get no confusions. If there is not just one word - you get confusions. I'm talking about experience here as a anime fan, not a One Piece fan. I'm not saying there is confusion all the time, its just its harder to explain half translations to some. Its not just Japanese to English, but languages overall.
- Plus saying "fruit" implies it comes from the dub or the Viz translation... Half of the names (Like Bara Bara no Mi) have different names. Which is where the confusion will most likely come from I think. Anyway that my opinions spent... We need the voice of others on this matter. If I say anymore until then I'll end up in an argument with you MF, that I don't want. One-Winged Hawk 15:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Example
I read some Devil fruit profile and I must say it does not look good so I again went to Arlongpark.net to show an example how each Devil Fruit profile should be:
Arlongpark.net Sube Sube devil fruit profile
Sube Sube no Mi (スベスベの実)
The Smooth Fruit's Eater
Being the first villain introduced to not die in the first chapter, Alvida holds a place in our hearts eternal as a fat, ugly old crone. She's ruthless, brutal, and cold. It's just that after she eats the Sube Sube Fruit, she seems to have found herself a little off her rocker for whatever reason. In battle Alvida wields her Iron Club to this very day.
The Smooth Fruit's Characteristics
Class: Paramecia (Superhuman) Eater: Alvida the Club (Former Captain, Alvida Pirates)
Powers Introduced: Chapter 98 General Descriptor: Makes the body smooth and untouchable Viz Name: Slip Slip
The Sube Sube Fruit is an interesting one. While it doesn't offer any advantages offensively, defensively its powers have yet to be classified entirely. Does the slipping effect make battering attacks useless? What about slicing and piercing weapons, like swords and lances -- do they just slide off, too? That would make Alvida almost as overpowered as a Logia, so I doubt that's entirely true. I suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Interesting to say, Alvida slimmed up after eating this fruit, and her freckles disappeared (among other cosmetic improvements). Whether that's a trait of the fruit we don't really know. Okay, back to basics: The Sube Sube effect deflects any attempt to mark the skin of the user. Logia abilities like smoke are still effective, and Seastone is also a weakness.
Also of note is that this was the third Devil's Fruit introduced to us in the series.
Attack Notes:
Sube Sube Spur
Alvida, using the Zero Friction trait of the Sube Sube Fruit, slips from her shoes and slides down a ramp to quickly escape from an area. Useful for quick movement.
Now it don't have to follow the same so that profile may set an good example on how to work on each Devil Fruit profile.
My idea is:
Devil Fruit Name: Japanese Text: Romanized Viz translation: Fruit's Class: Eater: Powers: Chapter Introduced: Description: Attacks:
What do you think?
[edit] Rearranging Zoan
Whoever did that... what were you thinking? What kind of order were you going for. The previous oder made much more sense... - BattleFranky202 03:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Consistency
I've noticed that there's tons of switching with the grammar. One sentence it's "Zoan" the next it's "Zoans". Same for Logia/Logias and Paramecia/Paramecias. We need to keep it consistent. Both are referring to the same thing. I'm pretty sure it's more grammatically correct to not has the s at the end. Cody2526 05:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Well heres a start... The plurals are in English "Zoan Types", "Logia Types" and "Paramecia Types". So it would be "Zoan types of Devil Fruit..." One-Winged Hawk 08:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Grammatically speaking, we don't need the S at the end and can simply put Zoan to describe "Zoan types of Devil Fruits" simply because...our language works like that. On top of probably being grammatically correct to not have the S, the Japanese do not use plurals. Sound it out, compare my last change of the page to the version before it. Without the S, it sounds better. It's not really a good argument, something sounding better, and it doesn't prove how grammatically correct it is, but it certainly rolls off the tongue better. Cody2526 11:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, Japanese vs English. The same problem can be said with the word Katana... Which I've tried to avoid calling "Katanas". But its so tempting to write that in plural. XD
- I do say one thing, Zoan sounds generally better then Zoans. I guess you are correct. You could considering it on similar note to Sheep, which the plural is not Sheeps, its Sheep. Which is regarding my last post, you say "a flock of Sheep" just as "Zoan Types" etc... Yeah excuse my waffling... I just did a bunch of mass merging on wikipedia. And now my brain is tired. And all because of pressure to get off my lazy butt and do stuff. XD One-Winged Hawk 19:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Perona's Paramecia
It's revealed in the latest chapter of One Piece (number 261) that Perona's ability to create and control her ghosts comes from eating the Ghost Ghost Fruit. Unfortunately, since I don't know the Japanese word for "ghost" I can't name it to put up information about it. Could somebody help me out here?
- I don't know the language, but I've heard enough to pick it out from a English/Japanese dictionary. In Romanji the Japanese word for ghost should be yūrei. And using Wikipedia's interlanguage links, 亡霊 should be it in Kanji. ~Dantman-local(talk) Jul 1, 2007 @ 23:47 (UTC)
- I see "horo horo" everywhere I look. Isn't that her laugh as well? :/ One-Winged Hawk 07:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Attacks
On almost every Devil Fruit page, there is a list of attacks. I propose we organize the attacks like this (used Ace's Mera Mera no Mi attack list as an example):
| Kagerou (Heat Haze) | |
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| Devil Fruit: Mera Mera no Mi | |
| English name: | |
| Description: Ace shoots a stream of fire from the palm of his hand. This was first seen being used to stop Smoker from catching Luffy. | |
First Used:
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| Hiken (Fire Fist) | |
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| Devil Fruit: Mera Mera no Mi | |
| English name: Heat Fist (4Kids) | |
| Description: Ace turns his fist into flames and launches it as a column of fire at his target. This attack is incredibly powerful that it is able to plow through several ships in one shot. It is apparently the source of Ace's alias of "Fire Fist Ace." | |
First Used:
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| Higan (Fire Gun) | |
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| Devil Fruit: Mera Mera no Mi | |
| English name: | |
| Description: Pointing the index and middle fingers of both hands at an opponent like guns, Ace turns his fingertips into flames and shoots bullets made of fire at them. This technique was first seen when Ace retaliated against Van Auger's attack. | |
First Used:
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| Enkai (Fire Punishment) | |
| Devil Fruit: Mera Mera no Mi | |
| English name: | |
| Description: Ace amasses a large amount of flames around his body in preparation for an attack. This is apparently the prerequisite technique before Ace can use Hibashira. | |
First Used:
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| Hibashira (Fire Pillar) | |
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| Devil Fruit: Mera Mera no Mi | |
| English name: | |
| Description: Used following Enkai. Ace shoots the collected flames straight upward, destroying a target above him. This technique and it's prerequisite technique were first seen when Jesus Burgess threw a hotel at Ace. | |
First Used:
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| Hotarubi: Hidaruma (Firefly Fire: Body Covered in Flames) | |
| Devil Fruit: Mera Mera no Mi | |
| English name: | |
| Description: Ace creates many small fireballs that float around an enemy before flying into them all at once, burning them. The idea behind this attack's name is that before he attacks with them, the small fireballs look like fireflies in the air. This was first seen being used in Ace's battle against Blackbeard after Blackbeard performed his initial attacks. | |
First Used:
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| Shinka: Shiranui (Sacred Fire: Mysterious Light at Sea): | |
| Devil Fruit: Mera Mera no Mi | |
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| Description: Ace launches two long lances made of fire at his opponent's chest. The lances have the combined effect of simultaneously burning an opponent while piercing their chest. This was first seen being used against Blackbeard when Ace was being dragged by Blackbeard's power. | |
First Used:
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| Juujika (Cross-fire): | |
| Devil Fruit: Mera Mera no Mi | |
| English name: | |
| Description: Ace puts his index fingers together in a cross shape before launching a cross-shaped column of flame directly at his opponent. This was first seen being against Blackbeard after Ace attacked Blackbeard with Shinka: Shiranui This attack's name is a pun since "Juujika" refers to crossfire from weapons fire, yet Ace is making an actual cross out of fire. | |
First Used:
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| Daienkai: Entei (Great Fire Punishment: Fire Emperor) | |
| Devil Fruit: Mera Mera no Mi | |
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| Description: Ace's ultimate technique. Ace creates a gigantic fireball resembling the sun and hurls it at his opponent to try to obliterate them. This was first seen being used during the final moments of Ace and Blackbeard's battle. | |
First Used:
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This format will not only give the reader an image of the attack, but it will also better organize the articles (especially the ones with many attacks).
What do you think? Any comments or suggestions?
- Sounds good to me... If anyone is willing to take time to put it in. One-Winged Hawk 21:49, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- I can do it. Are there are any information fields I should add or remove for the attacks?
- Edit: Oops, forgot to sign my comment. Sorry. --Superneoking 20:11, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- Ah! You'll have to bring this to MF's attention on that detail. Its not my area. Leave a note on MF's asking for some aid pointing to this talk page. MF's pretty much got thing ticking on the attacks page. ^-^' One-Winged Hawk 22:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- The idea sounds great however I'm not sure if it would work on some pages. Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Mi page for instance would have an image overload and may not work for some servers. It's a good idea, I just don't know how it'll look or work on some pages.Mugiwara Franky 02:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- I'll agree with that much... The same would be for Usopp's page. Looking at this table we have here though MF, for the Logia's at least, whose power is either in the form of an attack list or powers description, I see it working. One-Winged Hawk 10:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- I made an example for the Gomu Gomu no Mi fruit attacks here. It is incredibly long. I separated the tables so that the Gear 2 attacks, for example, wouldn't be separated from the its entry. --Superneoking 19:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- The example looks good but it is indeed incredibly long and it seems that it might take too much space if combined with the rest of the other info. It's good I can say but something still seems a bit ifty if used for an article. Some tablization is good but I don't know...
- By the way, can some tablization be done here on this page. It seems very ignored in a way what with unconfirmed and wrong English Dub names.Mugiwara Franky 03:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Shifting through SBSs
Where I'm up to. Still got a long way to go. But on this page is a table of confirmed DFs. I'd like to get those mentioned on there referenced. If anyone wants to help, thats where I'm up to. If not, I'm out for the day (or maybe not depending) and will do it when I get home. One-Winged Hawk 10:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Origin
I heard that Oda got the idea of Devil Fruit(people with superpowers who are unable to swim) from historical records - during the Age of Sail many sailors considered knowing how to swim to be cowardice, because if you did you were expecting to fall overboard. Kinda like how the Big Three refused to put seat belts in cars until the seventies because they thought it would make people believe cars were unsafe. Any way to work that into the article?Kalaong 06:37, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- Unconfirmed. Unless you have that confirmed, its pretty just speculation. Never heard of the sea swimming thing, the car manufactorers, yeah that I vaguely remember. I think they onky became standard because of laws on health and safety nd what not, because cars got faster and faster. One-Winged Hawk 11:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
